Monday, April 22, 2013

Hi Guys....

Here you go Becky, this is the Tim you guys will meet and ride with. There's very few of us who
get the scary face (ahem).

Missed everybody.

 Life has been a little over the top lately, good and bad.

So here's a share and some thoughts to get things kick started again.


3 yr old Amber Champagne Dun Tobiano Gelding - $750 

Driver is a beautiful 3 coming 4 yr old gelding. Has been started and will continue to be trained until sold. He is not registered because his mom is grade but his dad and grand parents are of some awesome old race and cow lines (Three Bars, Custus Rastus, Leo, Easy Jet, Jingles Hurrah, Snazzy Man, Top Deck, Sonny D Bar) His mother and grandmother were both proven winning rodeo horses his dad is currently being trained for barrels and will be on sight to be seen as well.. Driver has a ton of potential but I just don't need a 3rd rodeo horse so he has to go as he is the youngest. He is quiet and well mannered. He did put his front left foot through a fence and now has an ugly scar on it but it has not seemed to bother him at all. He should average 15+hh. His mother is 15.2hh and his dad is 14.2, grandma is 16hh, and grandpa is 14.3. I think that he has a great future in either english or western. He is going to be an excellent horse for that person who is ready for a horse who will take them to the next level...with proper finishing of course. He has had a slow start due to me having a baby when he was ready to start.. he does tie, pick up his feet, and bathes...been a while since he's been bathed but he's very quiet so it wouldn't take much to re-introduce it to him and I will be working on all of the basics with him as well as putting some more training into him.. he will also be started on barrels as soon as I feel he is ready for that step up and once that happens price will slightly increase. Will only sell to knowledgeable horse people. This horse is too nice to be sold to a green horn.. I hate to sell him but I just don't need him. My loss is your gain. 
1st and 2nd and 6th pics - Driver
Black and white horse is his mother, Palomino is his Dad, and sorrel is his grandmother. His grandfather is identical to his dad. --- Craigslist

This is an example of  BYB that doesn't bother me in the least and why I can't jump on the hate all BYB's bandwagon.

This grade gelding is clean limbed, a pretty color and started right. From the look and sound of the ad he is out of a proven mare and stud from running lines. I'm talking local, gymkhana and Little Britches stuff here. 

He's a great price and seems to have been started right.

There is a good market for a well trained horse like this. I would look at him and buy him if he was sound with a minimum of behavior issues.

In 90 days I could sell him, more than likely without advertising, just word of mouth for $1500 - $3000, depending on who he turned out to be.

His biggest fault is his neck, but I think it would come around with the right training.

There is a market for horses like this.


Then....this is what I did a week ago Saturday. First NRCHA show in 5 years! 

Not fast but very pretty spins

Our stops were blah, but I just asked for with a "Whoa," -- she only had shoes on for a week.

She got underneath herself  by the stop and back...

                                                                                      Correct position on the fence

          First fence turn, just at the end marker, exactly  where I asked

Got a little behind on our right turn, but still at the marker.

                                                                                           good right circle

good to the left
Mugs be very happy with Madonna

We were (are) very rusty...I sent my video (no you can't see it) to the Big K and his only comment was, 'You'll be fine, FOCUS!"

I didn't remember I was actually at a horse show until we were 1/2 way through the pattern. Madonna was high headed and anxious, but kept her feet where they belonged, and I was very happy with her.

We were good enough to place fourth and to pull a check, so, watch out world, we're coming back! 


Because the up and coming clinic is very different for Tim and I and we still have some open slots, I wanted to throw open the door for suggestions.
Remember, we're open to green horses and riders and you don't have to work cows, although trust me, you'll want to.
What would you want to learn from me over the course of three days? I am healthy enough to give about 2 hours a day of my undivided attention, the rest will be either Tim, or the both of us. 
How about from Tim (Big K), what do you want from him?

Talk to you soon.


GreyDrakkon said...

This is the kind of "backyard breeder" that wouldn't make me angst either. They're doing something with both parents, they're doing a sane level of training for the age of the horse, and they aren't screaming that "Everything must GO so we can feed our other 30 horses that we have to breed every year!". Doesn't hurt that he's pretty, even though I'm one of the few people who doesn't like paints all that much. (More in that if there was a solid and a paint that were as talented, I'd pick the solid, but if the paint were better I'd go "Oh fine..." ;) )

Cindy D. said...

Not going to comment on the BYB part of the post because I can't see the pictures. Besides, TC kicked my soapbox out from underneath me and ran it over with a semi.(lol) I shall remain humble and quiet for a while. (with a smile cuz I'm digging it)

I do wanna comment on the pics of you and Madonna.

The description that first came to mind when I saw those was "Wicked cool!"

Once again find myself wishing I didn't have to miss that clinic.

DeeDee said...

Soooo glad you are back! Love the Janet/Madonna pictures.

lauraatkins said...

I always took the "must be papered" "must have a show record" from *ahem* certain bloggers as a sign that these bloggers didn't actually have their own eye for a good horse. They were relying on the registration and the ribbons as a proxy for being unable to fully understand a breeding program.

A *job* and the conformation and ability to do that job is what makes a horse valuable. If that job is lugging around husbands and kids on trails, and the horse has the brains and bone to do it, then that is a valuable horse. If that job is dancing at the olympics and the horse has the ability then that horse is valuable.

I totally agree. He's a cute little gelding. So cannot have a horse right now :(

Sharon Burdeshaw said...

My main need is to figure out how I can get to Montana from Florida with a horse in tow.

If I could get there, I'd like little bits of help on beginning lots of stuff. Circles, stops and spins, lead changes....just getting me started in the right direction, or fixing what I have already messed up.

Cindy D. said...

Mugs I have a question, and this is based totally from the fact that I know nothing and want to know more.

I noticed that in the pictures of you riding Madonna, it is obvious that you are riding one handed. (the whys on that are obvious to me) but it kind of looks like you are holding your free hand across your stomach. Is there a specific reason for that, is it just how you chose to ride, or am I seeing it wrong all together?

Becky said...


Here's your answer to her riding style:

And Mugs, I want:

#1: Tim to look friendlier than he does in that photo you showed.

#2: Not to have to hug anyone. I hate hello hugs, and goodbye hugs. Hate them. I'm better at handshakes, but still really awkward. Is it okay if I jam my hands in my pockets and just say hi? That's what I really want.

mugwump said...

Cindy D - There is no hand. I have one arm.

mugwump said...

Dear went and ruined my fun with Cindy. The poor thing has been whacked around enough. Please, don't let her find out that we are really secret minions of doom.

I'll put up a pic of what Timmy actually looks like....

Sharon - Definitely in the plans.

I'm going to have to put together a car/trailer pool list.

mugwump said...

Becky...I don't hug, shake hands, nothing, neither does Tim. But watch out for Dawn and Clare, they're lethal.

Quail said...

was getting a bit concerned by your absence. Good friend took a nose dive (thank God) with a helmet on (yes, it cracked it) and broke her elbow...hadn't heard from you, so glad to know you're showing now

Quail said...

was getting a bit concerned by your absence. Good friend took a nose dive (thank God) with a helmet on (yes, it cracked it) and broke her elbow...hadn't heard from you, so glad to know you're showing now

Breathe said...

Lovely horse, lovely run. I'd want to know how to get my horse from being heavy on the forehand. But I'm fairly clueless.

Snipe said...

I so wish I could attend your clinic, even if it was just to sit in the stands and watch the fun. Will you post some photos or posts of the clinic after it's over?

Cindy D. said...

Mugs, I'll be totally honest. When you said you only had one hand I thought, "Is she messing with me, or is that a metaphor for a particular riding trick?" (because I have picked up the fact that you have a pretty good sense of humor)
so I followed the link provided with Becky, read the story, and now I feel like an idiot for thinking that you were messing with me. Sorry.

With that in mind, I will say again, "Wicked Cool!" (In respects to your riding)

I feel like I can barely keep my balance with both hands.

Secret Minions of doom???? Hmmmmmm Gonna have to dwell on that one for a while! Ha!

Half Dozen Farm said...

Hey Mugs:

Do you put the slick shoes on the hinds that the fancy reiners do, so they can really slide? If so, does that impact the cow work?

Loved the pics of you and Madonna! Lookin' gooooooood! :)

I don't have a bone to pick with the ad you posted. But for the comment about how a certain "other" blogger drew a clear line in the sand about requiring *something* proving a horse should be bred - I feel there certainly needs to be a clearly drawn line for a LOT of people who think breeding is a good idea (no one here of course).

Glad to see your back online.

mugwump said...

Snipe...Are you kidding? Gettyup is going to be there! Have you seen the photos on her website?
And of course, I have the infamous bra cam.

mugwump said...

Half Dozen Farm -

oldredhorse said...

Glad to see you're ok. I mostly read here and don't post much as there is so much knowledge to soak up.

Becky- I so feel you on the hugging, maybe it's in the name as I am a Becky too!

shadowlake2005 said...

Wow, he is cute, and the little gelding isn't bad either! And the pictures of you on Madonna? Y'all sure do cut a pretty rug--i am totally psyched!

shadowlake2005 said...

Wow, he is cute, and the little gelding isn't bad either! And the pictures of you on Madonna? Y'all sure do cut a pretty rug--i am totally psyched!

wyofaith said...

If I were coming, and I truly wish I were, I would want to get some tips on stopping. You've got a really beautiful back going in your pics! I have a huge hole in my mare (created by moi) in the area of good stops. Being a super genious trainer, I thought "She is a barrel horse, I want her to err on the side of "go" rather than "whoa". Yeah, super genious.
I'd also love to try some cow work. My mare is Doc O'Lena bred and she just lights up around cattle.
I'd also like to see her relax in her circles instead of getting all nervous and chuffing around.
Clinics are so great (when you have great clinicians) because there is someone to say "right there- you did this thing and it makes your horse do this"- that helps me so much. I'd love to be there, and the sucky thing is that Roundup is fairly close to me.

For What It's Worth said...

Glad to have the helpful hug/no hug update! I am auditing but want to know how the heck do you stay in the saddle during the quick turns? Would love to be riding but being used to my large warmblood and our more sedate walk, trot and canter do not want to look the fool when I fall off! :)

mugwump said...

wyofaith -- wish you were coming, it's going to be fun.
For What it's Worth - All horses like cows, but nobody has to work them. There is plenty of across the riding style board to pick up and absorb.
I was working at Tim's when I learned about the dressage horse tuneup -- and took it with me.
And I promise, we don't set anybody up to fall off.
It's about balance and centering.

LadyFarrier said...

Ha! I'm such a hugger! I'll try to be more conscious of my squirming victims ;)

I agree about a horse's value being closely tied to his useability. The old "You can't ride papers" is really true. Friends and I were joking lately that you can hardly find a good grade horse anymore ;)

As a farrier, it bugs me to see horses being patterned for speed work at three and four. Why can't these people Just. Friggin. Slow. Down? Hello - how many times have I seen that County Fair Champeen' who can't lift his back legs at the age of 12?!? How pathetic is that? Blown splints, anyone?? Sigh. This is my issue with most futurity events. Unless all they have to do is stand there and look pretty at the age of two, they are doing tooooo much for their little baby skeletons. I hate to be "that" guy (gal!), but I'm the one who has to get them to pick up their feet and try to keep them sound. NO HORSE is completely grown before the age of five - including their coffin bones! If you want a horse to have the biggest feet he can have, do NOT shoe them earlier than four and a half or five years old. He'll stay sound waaay better/longer.

I just wish that there was a little more thought about longevity. Sigh.

And, I really wish I was going to the clinic. Sounds like a blast :)

Anonymous said...

Lookie at Madonna's glorious *hair*! :) She's beautiful!

mugwump said...

Lady Farrier - I was a rebel in my world. I wouldn't shoe until my horses were three.
I know it wasn't enough, but it helped.
My theory was if you rode a youngster until they were footsore you were riding them too hard.
Odin is 5? 6? And he has had one set of sliders in his life.
His feet are lovely.

Unknown said...

Mugs - Don't know if you have anyone trailering up from the south for the clinic but I'm in the NW corner of MO, just off I-29, just south of the IA border. So if someone needs a layover, I have 2 stalls available...and maybe for if I get off my butt and get the limestone packed and mats down. Contact me at


LadyFarrier said...

Hi Mugs!

It's really true - the longer you leave them naked, the better developed the hooves can become (generally speaking of course). My mother is a Master Level farrier and we have often speculated (late at night!) that part of the issue with the famously poor quality Thoroughbred hooves is that they're shod so young. Even waiting 'til they're three gives them a huge advantage. I have a client with a yard full of TBs who never got sent for race training because the bottom fell out of the market. So, there they stand as four and five year olds, left in the pasture, never shod, and their feet are AMAZING! And totally different from their full and half sibs who were shod and trained for the track. It's right there in front of our eyes!

The same goes for the QHs with the tiny feet - very few horses are born that actually cannot stand on their own four legs if they get a chance to develop properly. This means lots and lots of straight-line movement, like big open space. Arena work (round work) really doesn't count much in terms of overall development. It's just not the same :) But if you shoe them up for halter classes starting as yearlings... well, you get a lot of navicular horses by the age of six. It's really sad.

Perhaps you can answer this question for me: why do so many trainers (at least they do around these parts) ask owners to shoe their stock before sending them to the trainer? I'm curious because at most of these places the horses are either in a soft arena, a stall, or a soft paddock/turnout area. I'm not a trainer, so I've wondered for a while about this. Thanks!

Oh, and: You go, you rebel, you!!

Jill said...

if I a) had a trailer b)enough money and c) didn't live in eastern Canada, i would BE THERE.

alas, no. Super envious of people who are able to go!

whisper_the_wind said...

If I (a) didn't have to work and (b) wasn't afraid to haul my horse from Western NC, I'd LOVE help on making my horse go. I have tried all the tricks and tips and I have come to the conclusion that it is ME that somehow cues my horse to stop/go incredibly slow, even when I try to get them forward.

I'd be in 7th heaven just listening to you and the Big K give tips and hints.

Emily in NC

LuckySC said...

Way to go.
Please may I see it?
you could email me a link,

mugwump said...

LadyFarrier - a. because we're stupid and shoe too young.
b. So we can see how your farrier shoes.
c.So we don't have to trim/work a horse which hasn't been trimmed in the last three years. the biggest reason, B. is the second.

If a horse comes in lame from a recent trim we can send them home without fingers being pointed at us or our farrier.
I learned this the hard way.

Fyyahchild said...

I'd love to bring Tax out to see if we could work on getting him moving forward but he's terrified of cows especially if they moo, which I'd be willing to deal with since I'm used to his nonsense, but 2. transportation is the bigger issue for me. I lost my truck and its miserable. :(

I hope you all have a great time! :)

Candy'sGirl said...

I would come and learn whatever you wanted to teach! My primary focus is dressage and foxhunting, but we did a local cutting clinic last year and had a blast. Most of the movements translated pretty well.

I just can't afford the gas out there from Indiana on top of the clinic fee. If I could, I'd be there in a heartbeat.

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