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This is a nice written blog. Thumbs up!colts for sale canadahttp://www.northforkhorses.ca/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-61563085379552719472012-05-23T12:31:38.072-06:002012-05-23T12:31:38.072-06:00My Dixie was a Big Lick horse. She was flatshod (...My Dixie was a Big Lick horse. She was flatshod (off the pads) by the time I got her, but she still assumed every interaction with humans was going to hurt her. It took years to get her head screwed on right again. <br /><br />I just don't know if the BL will ever go away. I mean, shit, there's still unironic Confederate supporters all over the South. I am glad there's all kinds of people to fight the good fight, but I can't do it. I have no interest at all in judged sports, or even timed sports where money's involved. I have seen the absolute shittiest poking-the-puppy behavior that winning brings out in people, and I want no part of it. :(Funderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06358687366401205336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-30189148273377767782012-05-23T05:32:14.828-06:002012-05-23T05:32:14.828-06:00Mugs - I think when people accept the darker side ...Mugs - I think when people accept the darker side of human nature.....greed, power, lust, etc. that just compounds the problem and makes people turn a blind eye by saying, "well, that's human nature", or "boys will be boys", blah, blah, blah.<br /><br />I think this 'turning a blind eye' is the problem of the horse show world. "I didn't see anything or hear anything"; therefore, it didn't happen. <br /><br />I also believe society can not legislate kindness, morals, humanity, ethics.....but you sure can hurt them where it will hurt the most.....in the pocket....hit it hard and hit it deeeeeeeeeeeeep....owners and trainers.<br /><br />Public awarness needs to be amped up as well. I think most non-horsey people think the way a TWH goes in the Big Lick is normal. Just listen to those crowds when the horses come into the arena...Good GAWD they are cheering, stomping, clapping, whistling. The more crippled the horse looks/goes the louder the audience becomes. We need to continue to educate, educate, and educate some more.scsarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-90782798181989570632012-05-22T22:48:50.851-06:002012-05-22T22:48:50.851-06:00In response to Susan67, I have also wondered the s...In response to Susan67, I have also wondered the same thing. There now seem to be a whole lot of TWH people speaking up and saying "But it wasn't me!", yet they were people who exhibited at the Celebration - when they KNEW that there were horses there that were being tortured to perform. They knew and they didn't pull out, and they didn't speak up.<br /><br />If I were shopping for a barn and I saw tortured horses being boarded there, I wouldn't leave my horse there. If I knew there were kids down my street being abused, I'd go straight to the authorities. If I found out there was a puppy mill in the next farm over, I'd be at the police so fast I'd leave a smoke trail behind me.<br /><br />"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing".Travel Truth 101https://www.blogger.com/profile/08455468742633571326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-23486366649016089542012-05-22T17:56:29.615-06:002012-05-22T17:56:29.615-06:00I am new to this blog and am enjoying reading here...I am new to this blog and am enjoying reading here. I have always loved horses but other than a few years working in barns feeding and cleaning I don't know a whole lot. And I guess some with more knowledge may feel I shouldn't even post but I really am just looking for an honest answer in reference to the Walking Horses and other abuses of animals. Why do the people who DO NOT believe in abuse of horses or other animals step up and report these kinds of people? Or do something to stop it? I just don't get that. I am not a "tree hugger" type person, I don't feel people need to give up having pets, give up eating meat etc. but I know I sure could never stand by and watch an animal being abused and just go on with my day. Surely the people in any horse industry know who the abusive trainers/owners are,why do others not step up and try to at least stop what they see first hand, report what they know? Heck, with cameras on everybodies phones these days picture proof is much easier to get. I would also think if enough reports are made against a trainer/owner/barn that somebody would investigate.<br />Another question I have is, do harsh methods (painful, fearful) really have to be used to train an animal or can it be done more humanely but people just don't want to invest the time required to do it that way. Again, not trying to be a smart "you know what" I really would like honest answers.susan67https://www.blogger.com/profile/14095463695255765687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-50888835388176940182012-05-21T11:28:55.045-06:002012-05-21T11:28:55.045-06:00Me again (anonymous comment 22)....Soring is also ...Me again (anonymous comment 22)....Soring is also possible in flat-shod horses, though not as common. An easy way to get a flat-shod horse to step higher is to trim him short, run him on pavement for awhile, then shoe him (basically, road founder prior to every show). Your run of the mill local show "DQP" (inspector) won't look/examine closely enough to notice. <br /><br />Outside of the soring, you also see TWH's trimmed or shod similarly to park-style Arabians or Saddlebreds - extremely long toes. "Gaited horse farriers" do this on purpose to amplify the gait without weights or pads. The truth is, a naturally gaited walking horse gaits correctly and comfortably with a plain old trim with a rolled toe - or normal shoes.<br /><br />And finally...those "big time breeders" who are breeding specifically looking for their next Big Lick champ...are breeding pacey horses. The "package" (stacks) works best on a pacey horse, evidently. So, they don't even care if this horse that was originally bred for its nice easy gait, gaits at all. They can fix it with their torture devices. <br /><br />One "answer" - long term fix - in addition to pulling sponsorships and refusing to attend shows with big lick classes and attempting to educate the general public about soring --- is for anyone looking to get into walking horses to purchase from a breeder who prides themselves on naturally gaited, heritage-type TWH's. In other words, make that "WGC" mean less and the natural gait mean more.<br /><br />And yes, I live in Tennessee, and yes, I have ridden my share of TWH's - including one that is now unrideable at age 13 because he was padded and sored; his stifles are ruined and he is hell to trim (wonder why?!?) - one that has some leftover emotional and physical issues from being on pads (unknown whether she was sored but definitely was abused in other ways and she is so naturally gaited, barefoot, you just want to cry knowing what someone did to her), and one whose legs are so scarred he can't be shown in breed shows anymore but at least has a little girl who adores him and enjoys trail riding him. <br /><br />The important thing is that most TWH owners who just bought their horses to enjoy trail riding - don't do any of this crap to their horses. It is like 2 separate worlds...the big time show world with their fancy barns, and the backyard owners who buy the "low end" (often unregistered but purebred, not trained by "walking horse trainers") trail horses...and neither pays any attention to the other's business.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-18279384407190866952012-05-21T10:41:02.639-06:002012-05-21T10:41:02.639-06:00The ironic thing is that soring is a federal crime...The ironic thing is that soring is a federal crime. The Horse Protection Act was written specifically to eliminate the practice. The USDA sends out inspectors to as many shows as their small budget allows. When word gets out that USDA inspectors are coming, trainers won't even show up - just the ones who think they can beat the system, do. If a trainer is suspended because of an HPA violation, they are only barred from breed shows, and generally get fined - nothing stops them from showing at fairs or county shows or the multitude of "benefit walking horse classics". (You wanna see show organizers and exhibitors freak out - get in touch with USDA about a suspected soring issue at your local TWH show...) <br /><br />So, the TWH industry and the government have known for years that soring is a huge problem - even though you talk to any trainer in Shelbyville, TN, and they say it is "not a common problem."<br /><br />I know farriers who have pulled pads off horses when owners realize they don't want to be in "that world". They talk about the horrible smell from severe thrush. I know 2 very good horsemen who started out training TWH's - and swapped to stock horses when they were pressured to conform to the "sore to win" mentality. I'm quoting one of them with "They do absolutely Medieval shit to those horses."<br /><br />Even the padded horses that aren't sored suffer permanent damage to their legs - they are often put on "stacks" as young as 17 months old, causing pastern joints to fuse at an out-turned angle and so much pressure on stifle and hock joints that many become arthritic before age 10. <br /><br />The entire idea of the "Performance" padded classes are so far removed from the origins of the TWH breed, they should be eliminated altogether. But it is like everything else...money, fame, and greed is right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-44579447115091199362012-05-21T06:00:41.931-06:002012-05-21T06:00:41.931-06:00scsarah - I don't know if you guys have notice...scsarah - I don't know if you guys have noticed, but I'm kind of a bottom line person. <br />I don't get caught up in "How do we stop people from being greedy?"<br />I accept greed, need for recognition and so forth.That's people. Which is why we need laws, so we can be forced to behave.<br />Where I get stuck is why is this legal?mugwumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00319060800328355056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-87390140319978187652012-05-21T05:39:51.922-06:002012-05-21T05:39:51.922-06:00Great post, Mugs.
The video of Champagne Watchout...Great post, Mugs.<br /><br />The video of Champagne Watchout was amazing in the fact he never looked tired, had effortless transistions, and could have kept on going, going, going.<br /><br />The other horse/rider combos had to stop and try to regroup before switching into another gait....not Chamagne and his 15 her old handler.....who rode beautifully, by the way, not all hunch over like she was having abdominal pains like the riders.<br /><br />At times during the video I thought the other horses front legs were going to snap, especially at the "canter" or whatever the hell that gait was.....<br /><br />It wasn't to long ago (back when I was a kid anyway) when people looked the other way when a child was being abused. Now more people report it. Hopefully society will change in regards to animal abuse.<br /><br />The one problem in trying to change ALL the horrors in the horse world is: Humans+Winning+Greed=cripple, beaten, starved horses.<br /><br />How do we take the greed out of humans?scsarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-78197557796308302822012-05-21T00:40:34.490-06:002012-05-21T00:40:34.490-06:00I've just dropped the following comment on the...I've just dropped the following comment on the Facebook pages of Rob Thomas from Matchbox 20 (horse lover), Martha Stewart (horse lover), Ellen Degeneres (animal lover), Oprah (animal lover) and Michael Moore (professional agitator) - maybe they'll step up?<br /><br />I know you have a lot on your plate, but, as a fellow horse lover I thought you might like to have a look at this (if you've not already seen it). The video is GRAPHIC and shows the soring of Tennessee Walking Horses. Maybe you could lend your support to help this torture of innocent animals to stop? Thanks for your time. http://youtu.be/gxVlxT_x-f0Travel Truth 101https://www.blogger.com/profile/08455468742633571326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-11897785404969058892012-05-21T00:00:54.141-06:002012-05-21T00:00:54.141-06:00mugs, i always love your blog.
Everytime i hear a...mugs, i always love your blog.<br /><br />Everytime i hear about TWH i cringe, and then thank god the breed doesnt even exhist in my country, so we dont have to deal with these attrocities.<br /><br />I like your veiw on extremists, you need them on both ends of the scale to create a happy medium in the world unfortunate as that may sound. Think of animal rights groups that promote veganism, well they made the world aware of battery hens, pig pens and factory farming, and i dont know about america but i know in a lot of other countries it has forced these industires to change there practices to more humane ways. However if we went to follow the extreme animnal right groups what would happen? cows, sheep, pigs and chickens would soon be featured on the endangered animals list, as the animal rights people would have done them out of a job, dont eat meat or use animal products why would anyone farm these animals.<br /><br />I have volunteered with animals in third world countries, and i learned this. The extremists scream loudist and make people aware of problems, as well as alienating huge numbers of people, blocking a lot of positive change from occuring. Its the people in the middle like us, who go on and do the un glamourous work of fixing the problems and creating the small steps that lead to a happy middle being reached...<br /><br />http://wildhorseproject.blogspot.co.nz/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16057329757493026569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-56497066710804060642012-05-20T22:31:33.968-06:002012-05-20T22:31:33.968-06:00PKR and Evensong - I, too, couldn't figure out...PKR and Evensong - I, too, couldn't figure out those awful noises. When I went to YouTube and found the complete HSUS video, you can tell that, yes, it IS a dog yapping. You can also hear the groom swearing out the horse as he whacks on her. The complete HSUS video is MUCH harder to watch, as it is unedited. CNN could only show so many minutes of footage, I imagine.<br /><br />Also, Champagne Watchout has a Facebook page and posted (yesterday or today) that the mare down in her stall, Sweet N Loco, has been pulled from the barn and is the hands of someone caring for her and helping her heal.mnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13781729580425653401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-25543089763761113022012-05-20T17:41:35.999-06:002012-05-20T17:41:35.999-06:00I watched part of the video that FHOTD posted and ...I watched part of the video that FHOTD posted and was waiting to go back and finish it. I can't describe the sadness I felt that people could be so cruel to those horses....then I remembered there are evil, cruel people that do worse to other people. I am not a fanatic and won't make big changes in the world, but I do promote kindness in my circle of influence and try to expand that circle. I can help write letters.KDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06062208340163864225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-71864993703315008542012-05-20T09:28:19.439-06:002012-05-20T09:28:19.439-06:00There's nothing wrong with "horse as tool...There's nothing wrong with "horse as tool", the question is how you treat your tools. Plenty of ranch horses get put out to pasture for their last years, maybe pack little kids around now and then. I would hope that horses who's owners don't have that kind of land or can't afford to retire them somewhere, get put down humanely.NotAFollowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17134003148196639993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-44380743763345868582012-05-20T09:24:24.418-06:002012-05-20T09:24:24.418-06:00I've had the good fortune to ride a true old-s...I've had the good fortune to ride a true old-style TWH on trails. She's never been anything but a trail horse, and she loves her job. <br /><br />She doesn't like fireroads much, gets a bit dull on them unless you let her out in a fast walk, but go off the roads into twisty mountain trails and she perks up. In the tight or tricky places she's oh so careful about her feet and her rider, and if the trail opens up a little she gathers herself up and steps out beautifully in a lovely comfortable flat walk. Her owner has said many times that he would trust that mare with his life, she's such a good, sensible, trail horse.<br /><br />She was my first TWH experience...then her owner told me about big lick and pointed me to the 1999 Champagne Watchout video. "Horrified" is a good summation of how I felt.NotAFollowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17134003148196639993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-8644172509165824032012-05-20T09:19:01.674-06:002012-05-20T09:19:01.674-06:00My mom pointed out to me the need for extremists t...My mom pointed out to me the need for extremists to show people how bad it can get. She was talking about the grand wizard of the KKK, who was running for state office and lived in the town where I went to high school, but the idea's the same.<br /><br />The far end of the animal rights scale as represented by HSUS and PETA makes me itch, but they have their place. And, HSUS at least, has some people convinced they are a gov't organization.NotAFollowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17134003148196639993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-65572486588545520802012-05-20T09:15:35.910-06:002012-05-20T09:15:35.910-06:00This from the post sums up how I feel about the TW...This from the post sums up how I feel about the TWH classes: "...many of the classes are designed to showcase the amazing things this breed is capable of, and the rest are designed to showcase the amazing way we humans torture animals for fun and profit."NotAFollowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17134003148196639993noreply@blogger.com