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I also don't support or ...I am a dog trainer. <br /><br />I also don't support or advocate CM's methods. Alpha rolls and dominance methods are archaic. There are far better, faster, more humane methods to teach your dog what you want them to learn. <br /><br />Suggested reading...<br /><br />www.shirleychong.com the keeper pages. Some truly outstanding dog trainers have posted to the keeper pages. <br /><br />Patricia McConnell. She's not only a dog trainer, but a certified behaviorist. She specializes in aggression and how to overcome/diffuse it. <br />http://www.patriciamcconnell.com/reading-room<br /><br />Sue Ailsby. If I was ever going to try and train under one teacher, this would be the one. She also has livestock. Sue trains her own service dogs, has held AKC/CKC judging cards, and has participated in nearly every dog sport there is. She is phenomenal. <br />http://www.sue-eh.ca/<br />When I have a student who truly understands operant conditioning, I suggest they get and work through her Training Levels Program. It is *outstanding*. <br /><br />Denise Fenzi, another +R trainer that is at the top of her game. She does obedience and schutzhund. Too bad she lives in CA and I can't get INTO a seminar with her. She's so good her semiars are books sometimes a year in advance. I settle for reading her blog and watching her youtube vids. http://denisefenzi.com/<br /><br />all of these women use no compulsion. They are experienced with a lot of very high drive dogs and are at the top of their game. Their dogs live in their homes and usually with multiple dogs/kids. <br /><br />None of them endorse Cesar Milan. <br /><br />Hollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17685436243608973979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-53688434732121089772012-12-01T21:39:54.521-07:002012-12-01T21:39:54.521-07:00
Anyone out there with experience with working dog...<br />Anyone out there with experience with working dogs (stock dogs) ?<br /><br />I have had horses all my life and have come late to needing working dogs to earn a living. I started by getting some very expensive fully trained dogs. They are hard to get though and I am having to learn how to train dogs from puppies. Im not translating from horse training to dog training all that well as I never owned dogs much before and I dont think I understand training a predator. Too used to horses where a reward is to leave it alone. Horse training I feel comfy - dog training ??!!%% ?? I dont know how to do right and it is hard to find good stock dog training DVDs.<br /><br />I need the dogs to follow the horse but not work it.<br /><br />I want them to head and heel cattle on demand and when they see fit - but not horses. <br /><br />Should I introduce them as puppies ? How? at what age? If I introduce a number of pups to horses they just pack up and bark and work them - so singly? As little pups alone they are scared and run so do I drag them around the horses on a lead? <br /><br />I have already made one promising pup badly vehicle phobic forcing it on a quad bike - I presume I can make them horse phobic easily - any tips - is there a more appropriate forum for this question? As I might be off - topic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-15299548066266867352012-11-28T15:18:56.086-07:002012-11-28T15:18:56.086-07:00This is a fascinating post, Mugs. "Trainer br...This is a fascinating post, Mugs. "Trainer brain" is a cool concept, and such a valuable one. It sounds like you instinctively help the animals around you to have purpose, do well, mind their manners and learn stuff, all of which is training, of a sort, but it is also loving them and enriching them. Thanks for sharing this!!Janhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00141033474195269489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-68208690180993325692012-11-28T15:14:26.826-07:002012-11-28T15:14:26.826-07:00This is a fascinating post, Mugs. "Trainer br...This is a fascinating post, Mugs. "Trainer brain" is a cool concept, and such a valuable one. It sounds like you instinctively help the animals around you to have purpose, do well, mind their manners and learn stuff, all of which is training, of a sort, but it is also loving them and enriching them. Thanks for sharing this!!Janhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00141033474195269489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-40199325256694581792012-11-26T16:58:33.055-07:002012-11-26T16:58:33.055-07:00I'm a dog person too. Loved to read about you...I'm a dog person too. Loved to read about your dog experiences, Mugs. <br /><br />I like your approach to learning - digest as much as possible and then build your personal approach to your unique situation. I really don't understand people who throw the baby out with the bathwater and disregard anything and everything Cesar and Clinton (or whichever trainer is controversial at the moment) have ever done. It is just information. And information is never bad. What a person chooses to do with the information is the important thing and that is a very personal decision based on circumstances only they know.<br /><br />I've had two very difficult dogs so far in my life. One was an extremely independent, protective Lab/LGD (livestock guardian). LGD's are bred to live with a flock and protect it, mostly independent of humans. When calling him to come, he would look at me, then look the other way - I could tell he was deciding whether or not to obey. So, when he looked the other way, I would growl "NO!", and when he looked at me I would use my happy voice "Good BOY!", and if he started walking towards me I would get really excited, then he would look the other way, "NO!", "Good Boy", "No", "Good Boy", over and over. I sounded completely nuts-o to everyone around, changing my tone of voice and body language by the moment based on his reactions. And he still was only mostly-reliable once he hit the age of 5 or so. It was a struggle like this for everything I ever tried to teach him. I never worried for my protection though. That dog would have died for me, I have no doubt.<br /><br />The other very difficult dog was a Lab/Dane that had been abused as a puppy. She never recovered, and was neurotic and had EXTREME separation anxiety. She was very destructive her entire 10 years of life. I mean, she ate a hole the size of a foot-long Subway sandwich in the bumper of our new Honda Civic! EXTREMELY destructive. She was also very dog aggressive. After watching Cesar a few times, it dawned on me that she needed me to take a much stronger and more active leadership role because she thought that she had to be the leader and worry over everything. Once I took a very strong, active leadership role a lot of her symptoms improved. She never was "normal", but she was more manageable. And yes, I did roll her and pin her a few times. Once after pulling her off another dog she was attacking. She improved dramatically after each time. I think, used sparingly and in certain dire circumstances, it is much like laying a horse down.<br /><br />Right now, we have two dogs. Another Lab/Dane and a rescued Boxer. Both of them are very mellow, laid-back, well-behaved dogs and are very easy. We don't need to take such an active leadership role because they don't require it. They know I'm the boss, but I rarely need to "prove it". We all just go with the flow for the most part.<br /><br />So, I wrote all of this to just simply say: All animals (dogs, horses, humans) are different. Different animals require different training techniques and different leadership roles from their owners/trainers. Laid-back animals can generally roll along with little input from owners/trainers. More difficult animals require more input from owners/trainers and they had best be as well-informed as possible on how to deal with the type of difficulties experienced, or you end up with the "bad dog/horse" scenario.<br /><br />I also agree that training dogs/horses/kids is very similar. It all boils down to teaching manners really! My little 6 year old daughter has been begging me for a puppy because she wants to "teach it manners"! LOL!Half Dozen Farmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00253311679688366394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-56331358744813850882012-11-26T14:05:35.776-07:002012-11-26T14:05:35.776-07:00This post has gotten me thinking about dogs again....This post has gotten me thinking about dogs again. Our border collie is kinda typical of his breed, high strung, brilliant, neurotic, amazing work ethic, nervous about strangers.... With him the best thing I ever did was getting him into obedience classes and agility. It built up his confidence and helped him learn how to deal with the big scary world outside of the farm. He loved clicker training and in our agility classes he really blossomed into an amazing, fearless athlete. I haven't been able to go on with agility which is too bad. (babies + full time job= no time) <br /><br />In our world today most dogs are just pets, they don't have jobs anymore and lack purpose. For the working breeds that can be really hard to deal with... Hence the anxiety and couches eaten. <br /><br />I've been working with dogs since I finished high school, first at a shelter, then at a kennel and currently as a dog groomer. So far I think the amount of time and consistency you offer matters more than anything else. So don't overload on too many training methods. Just cherry pick the ones that work best for you. <br />Keep us posted :)Greenienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-68300377779155142372012-11-26T12:48:46.802-07:002012-11-26T12:48:46.802-07:00Hey, I can't believe we've never met...I l...Hey, I can't believe we've never met...I live in Gomerville too! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-16779739725286497112012-11-26T09:18:38.734-07:002012-11-26T09:18:38.734-07:00Not a dog person here (had very bad experiences wi...Not a dog person here (had very bad experiences with the neighbors' Goldens as a little kid), but since I got back into horses, I had to get used to dogs. And yes... most dogs are good, if trained to be. Because they usually live in the house with us, unlike our horses, this is really, really important.<br /><br />(Says the person whose in-laws, now in their 70s, own a basically untrained Komondor, a guard breed. She's 120 pounds of do whatever she wants to, and now that she's older and having some problems that need the vet, the lack of training is really an issue. Some vets have banned her from their offices. I "made friends" early on by setting boundaries; she tried to jump on me, she got kneed in the chest, so she has some basic respect for me that she doesn't have with a lot of other people. My father-in-law hated me for a while after I did that...)<br /><br />Luckily my horse was raised with dogs (including loose dogs running through the breeders' property occasionally), so when we encounter a dog out on the trail, I check to see what her behavior is. She absolutely hates small yappy dogs and they seem to be by far the worst behaved... I think people treat them like (human) babies because they are small, and they don't really get trained.quietannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05710112022047395861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-49859965178243608892012-11-26T08:56:15.812-07:002012-11-26T08:56:15.812-07:00Love hearing all the stories about everyone's ...Love hearing all the stories about everyone's dogs. Had to send my girl across the Rainbow Bridge begining of Sept. and I miss her every day. MichelleLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-17603023098581336092012-11-26T08:25:35.013-07:002012-11-26T08:25:35.013-07:00For understanding the differeence between dog and ...For understanding the differeence between dog and people body language, I recommend Patricia McConnoll's The Other End of the Leash. And she has a booklet on managing multiple dog households-it boils down to 'be polite'.<br /><br />Please, post all you want about dogs! Just from reading this post I've noticed great big holes in the youngest dog's behavior. (Who I have thanks to the jerk that dumped a <6 weeks old puppy in the middle of nowhere.)rheatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13106202307295596177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-51535014350380088532012-11-25T20:59:09.839-07:002012-11-25T20:59:09.839-07:00I love your philosophy, Mugs. I see too many peop...I love your philosophy, Mugs. I see too many people who refuse to deal with their children, dogs, or horses in the way that they need. All of them cry out for boundaries, instruction, and information. Snipehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09691114613313099716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-67020483837888775662012-11-24T05:43:57.834-07:002012-11-24T05:43:57.834-07:00About 3 years ago, after losing my elderly *obedie...About 3 years ago, after losing my elderly *obedience trained* 90lb malamute (yes, they can be trained!) and my elderly Pembroke corgi, I agreed to foster short-term a German Shephard/Shar-pei mix for a rescue group. <br /><br />He had been caged at the shelter, was on his last days, and was fear aggressive, and neurotic. I told the rescue group I'd keep him for two weeks until they came up with a spot in a foster home for him.<br /><br />First time he snapped at me, I rolled him and held him, aka Cesar, and he never snapped at me (or anyone) again for control. He needed someone to tell him he did not have to be leader anymore (not his personality). <br /><br />I feel that Cesar, like Parelli, has a good basis - fix the people first, then the animals. Stand back and actually see what is going on. Isn't that what it's all about? Humans cause most of the issues...<br /><br />Turns out this dog was totally off-leash obedience trained. Trustworthy, my grandson is all over him, and he just flops over and sighs. Doesn't chase horses, cats, or guinea fowl. Actually listens to my voice and body signals. <br /><br />Not my type of pretty (he's pretty dorky, tiny shar-pei ears and curly tail on a shephard head & body)just a brown dog, he *bounces* and runs everywhere, is protective (barks when someone comes to the house), and has been here for 3 years and will be the rest of his life. <br /><br />I still want another mal someday...but this guy will do for now :)HorsesAndTurboshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03607758320356759231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-36953877586072736632012-11-23T17:44:12.045-07:002012-11-23T17:44:12.045-07:00Have to correct myself. I said I hate ride nasty d...Have to correct myself. I said I hate ride nasty dogs and that's not really fair. It's rarely the dog's fault. Sometimes it's not even the person's fault. It usually comes down to misunderstandings, I think. We forget animals aren't people, they're not like us, we forget how to be clear with them.<br /><br />I love these discussions. Heidi the Hickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00639479864903922047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-51898284216770139092012-11-23T16:25:17.432-07:002012-11-23T16:25:17.432-07:00Thanks Jenn - I'm already on Michael Ellis and...Thanks Jenn - I'm already on Michael Ellis and will check out Sofia Yin.mugwumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00319060800328355056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-26254501047041705642012-11-23T15:26:42.565-07:002012-11-23T15:26:42.565-07:00Yes. The Deep Calm.
Or Trainer Brain.
If yo...Yes. The Deep Calm. <br /><br />Or Trainer Brain. <br /><br />If you are so inclined: Folks that show this in training dogs are Michael Ellis - awesome with working dogs like yours, and Sophia Yin - who works with housepets. <br /><br />They both have this calm center and expectation of success that dogs thrive on, and they both have a large web presence. Jennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15597630887713954960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-44679578389990450712012-11-23T13:32:23.939-07:002012-11-23T13:32:23.939-07:00Interesting post (as always). Like RuckusButt I th...Interesting post (as always). Like RuckusButt I think dog training started more easily for me and now am trying to apply the principles to both. One thing this post made me realize that something I appreciate about my good old dog (he'll be 12 in March, badly bred Golden and has absorbed many tears with his fur) is that we have this intuition about each other and a faith in the other to do their portion reliably - partnership. Lately I've started to appreciate that same relationship with my big thoroughbred. Now to get that to carry over to our riding as we start taking lessons again. Also interesting about the lack of verbal stuff when we're In The mode....<br /><br />Wanted to tell you that here's another member of the ADD club (undiagnosed). I practice medicine and it was the biggest, brightest lightbulb moment when we covered ADD/ADHD back in school. Yes! Yes! There are other people whose brains work like mine! I've been blessed enough to be successful because I have always found areas that fascinated me and Allowed for that blessed hyper focus. Wonder why so many of us are animal people......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-10963968823349815562012-11-23T06:22:55.158-07:002012-11-23T06:22:55.158-07:00Thanks greenie - I love your approach, to your dog...Thanks greenie - I love your approach, to your dog and me both. You keep your eyes and mind open to whatever works best for you and your dog (and I'm guessing the rest of the world around you). Your method or somebody else's, doesn't matter as long as it works to your satisfaction, and you shared your common sense approach with me, without treating me like an over-stimlated second grader on the first day of class. <br />Thank you for assuming nothing about my knowledge or lack there of, and for still sharing what you know!mugwumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00319060800328355056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-45485594755177818152012-11-22T18:53:33.114-07:002012-11-22T18:53:33.114-07:00Weird to read this post since I just adopted my si...Weird to read this post since I just adopted my sister's dog. We're getting there in the training aspect...come is still an issue at time. She had a "talk to the hoof" moment that did knock some sense into her. Missy is trying so we're sticking with it.<br />Jenghisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-88246918995767046952012-11-22T16:17:58.327-07:002012-11-22T16:17:58.327-07:00Even though I've never actually commented, I r...Even though I've never actually commented, I read your blog religiously. <br /><br />I'm fairly new to horses, but I've learned that both with horses and dogs its all about energy.<br /><br />You correct, and then you go back to normal. If needed you correct again. <br /><br />Like you said so eloquently, body language is the key. Calm (but firm when needed) at all times. <br /><br />You will never get a good response out of anger. It's a weak state of mind and doesn't accomplish anything. <br /><br />That is what I took away from Cesar Millan. He's not a dog trainer to me, he shows people some great basics to teach a dog manners. And I've found that when they know what is expected of them they naturally relax and become more friendly. <br /><br />Before you can start training a dog you need it's trust and respect, without it you won't really accomplish anything. <br /><br />I would love to hear more about your dogs. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-55904313455849929842012-11-22T16:10:50.119-07:002012-11-22T16:10:50.119-07:00I had a strange experience with my treasured Kelpi...I had a strange experience with my treasured Kelpie/Rottie cross. As you can imagine, as a Rottie cross she's muscular and looks like she can bite. She came from a shelter at one year old. It took me a week or so to learn that this dog was excessively submissive (she had submissive urination.) The dog training book I was reading, by our RSPCA guru Hugh Wirth, was all about Teh Dominance and Being the Alpha dog. It took me a while to work out that behaviour which is appropriate and necessary for most dogs don't work with this category - and I'd never met one before! Once I realised that and googled some submissive dog strategies, we've never looked back.Helenhttp://castironbalcony.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-22779240034109925872012-11-22T13:26:42.989-07:002012-11-22T13:26:42.989-07:00I've used the wolf roll on our female dog, we&...I've used the wolf roll on our female dog, we've had dominance issues... I was trying to get out the door and she was trying to barge her way in. I tried to stop her and squished her in the door way so she didn't trample my toddler and 7 month old baby behind me. She clamped down and bit my leg.... I flipped her and pinned her right there.<br />She screamed and struggled, but I just held her there, told her "now you smarten up" in a deep growl... She quit and laid there in submission, I let her go... Not my proudest dog training moment... It turned out to be a misunderstanding, her leg got caught in the door when she was trying to push her way in... That's why she bit me... Not that that's really an excuse I guess, but it's still a bit different. <br /><br />After that incident things have been better, so I think the rolls have their place. The one I use more is a pinch and a tug on the scruffy stuff around their cheeks. It's what she uses on the other 2 dogs to get her way. Posturing, growling, bite the cheek or muzzle... Never hard enough to draw blood. Just enough to prove her point.<br /><br />That being said if you can avoid physical corrections it's better. I got her over her food aggression by sitting with her and praising her while she was eating. I'd toss a handful in, praise her for eating it, toss another in, if she growled... I didn't get mad but I waited for her to get back the right frame of mind before she would get more. Do what works. <br /><br />Best of luck mugs :)greenienoreply@blogger.com