tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post5514413042013337487..comments2024-01-03T03:28:48.980-07:00Comments on mugwump Chronicles: WTH is Brockle - The FinaleMugwumphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01487540636265322556noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-71476313283409946202015-04-20T12:11:05.595-06:002015-04-20T12:11:05.595-06:00Amy in Ohio - WOW. That totally makes sense. He co...Amy in Ohio - WOW. That totally makes sense. He could be shepherd/keeshond and shepherd/heeler. It makes sooo much sense. The Wisdom guys said that breeds developed from many different breeds are really hard to read -- because their genetic markers show up as each breed rather than the result. mugwumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00319060800328355056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-77223375102384394532015-04-18T10:46:24.804-06:002015-04-18T10:46:24.804-06:00Hey Mugs- What do you get when you cross a collie,...Hey Mugs- What do you get when you cross a collie, a Dalmatian, and a American Stafford. Terrier with a keplie (instead of an Akita)? Even if kelpie is not in the mix, there's 3 of the 4 foundation breeds for Australian Cattle Dog in the 'mixed breed' wild card. Or, as my father in law used to say "Dad was a GSD and the mother was careless". Congrats on your Brockle, he's quite a dog. Amy in OhioAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-24776234846233477842015-04-15T08:39:01.759-06:002015-04-15T08:39:01.759-06:00The German Shepherd breed as we know it today is n...The German Shepherd breed as we know it today is not an old one - only about 100 years. In the effort to lock in a uniform type Stephanitz used dogs of various colors until he got the working abilities and general physical appearance that he felt fit form to function. Another recessive gene that has been bred more for lately is coat length - there has been a recent jump in breeders of long coated German Shepherds(they look like Belgian Shepherds in my opinion .... or I supposed they could pass as a GSD/collie cross in looks}. <br /><br />Owned by a GSDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-489217374734614742015-04-15T06:56:50.363-06:002015-04-15T06:56:50.363-06:00From what I understand, German Shepherds can carry...From what I understand, German Shepherds can carry the Spotted gene. It's been rigorously selected against for hundreds of years, (no respectable breeder would repeat a breeding that produced a spotted puppy) but it's recessive so it's almost impossible to completely eliminate. <br /><br />Plus the gene for white german shepherds completely masked the spotted gene - there's no way to tell if a white german shepherd has spots, unless you breed him/her to a dark german shepherd that you know has the recessive gene - one that has produced spotted pups. <br /><br />Even then given the percentages for inheritance of a recessive gene - each pup only has a 25% chance of having spots, you'd have to repeat the breeding several times to be sure. <br /><br />So it's likely the gene has been allowed to "flourish" in those breedings. <br /><br />I think it's possible that Brockle could have rec'd his colouring from both his GSD Grandparents. Unlikely, but possible. The test seems to indicate that he did get the spotted gene from one of them at least. PonyFannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-71507681134604982722015-04-15T00:54:16.524-06:002015-04-15T00:54:16.524-06:00LF said what I was thinking.
Why not another test...LF said what I was thinking.<br /><br />Why not another test from another Lab?<br /><br />And why so vehemently against the idea?<br /><br />No judgement. Just curious.MichelleLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-23276356893504888302015-04-14T12:38:45.152-06:002015-04-14T12:38:45.152-06:00Lady Farrier - LAWD NO!!!!Lady Farrier - LAWD NO!!!!mugwumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00319060800328355056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-60740906848741263602015-04-14T11:39:06.618-06:002015-04-14T11:39:06.618-06:00Ha I belive I said GSD and Collie :-) Me thinks t...Ha I belive I said GSD and Collie :-) Me thinks they have collie and dalmation switched...LOLKimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-1889130177025123192015-04-14T11:36:34.751-06:002015-04-14T11:36:34.751-06:00ETA just got curious enough to look at the specifi...ETA just got curious enough to look at the specific alleles for dog colours. The vast majority of dogs with the amount of white Brockle has are homozygous recessive at the Spotted (MITF) locus. The GSD and/or Keeshond can explain the mask and sable pattern, but somebody needs to be carrying the spotted pattern on both sides of the family.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-7783609508468473452015-04-14T11:16:55.039-06:002015-04-14T11:16:55.039-06:00Unless I am very mistaken, the breed with the high...Unless I am very mistaken, the breed with the highest possibility of being in the mix is the dalmation. There would be that dominant color gene perhaps as close up as one grandparent. Also, several foundation GSDs were brindle or grey. The Dutch continued to breed brindles even after several other countries decided that that was a less than desirable color and is still in the gene pool. Greys (not sable greys - a true grey) pop up every now and then still.<br /><br />Pwned by a GSDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-86419194506396300942015-04-14T10:50:04.946-06:002015-04-14T10:50:04.946-06:00Will you do tests from any of the other companies ...Will you do tests from any of the other companies to compare results?LadyFarriernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-13823002712366763382015-04-14T09:54:36.307-06:002015-04-14T09:54:36.307-06:00In order for Brockle to be a recessive colour, he ...In order for Brockle to be a recessive colour, he would have to be homozygous for it himself (have 2 copies of the recessive allele). He would have to get one copy from each parent. <br />It doesn't matter if the "mixed breed" grandparent had one copy (heterozygous) or 2 copies (homozygous), that "side" of the equation can only give Brockle one copy.<br />So there would have to be a dog on the GSD/Keeshond side that carries the recessive allele, too. If that allele is never seen in those breeds, then there is another cross in the mix on that side that the test didn't detect. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-30429364013494042662015-04-14T03:19:18.825-06:002015-04-14T03:19:18.825-06:00A recessive gene could have come from anywhere unl...A recessive gene could have come from anywhere unless there were ancestors with a pair so they showed you couldn't tell, unless they got genetically colour tested, even if you knew them. Not surprised by the Gsd in him shame the other bits can't be narrowed down a bit more but still tells an interesting genetic story.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08855271077275630960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-2218251178034842092015-04-14T00:51:56.960-06:002015-04-14T00:51:56.960-06:00Have to disagree with Keeshonds being slow to bite...Have to disagree with Keeshonds being slow to bite. I knew two when I was a kid that were very grouchy and tended to snap.zebradreams07https://www.blogger.com/profile/17044216223536421442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-52882841969766338882015-04-13T22:09:08.609-06:002015-04-13T22:09:08.609-06:00Very InterestingVery InterestingMichelleLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-63637560284758593772015-04-13T16:55:28.712-06:002015-04-13T16:55:28.712-06:00I wouldn't have guessed keeshond, but it doesn...I wouldn't have guessed keeshond, but it doesn't surprise me that there's some Spitz in the mix. I've had a couple spitz/herding dog crosses, and your description of Brockle's personality is a fairly close match.Braymerehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11621884059563380946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-26949942806310563632015-04-13T16:21:38.046-06:002015-04-13T16:21:38.046-06:00I'm not surprised at all by all of the German ...I'm not surprised at all by all of the German Shepherd in there, especially given his OCD shoe-sorting habits. Keeshond seems sort of remote, but I suppose anything's possible. With his hair and coloring, the collie seems like a logical thing to have in there, too. <br /><br />The GSD might contribute to the coloring too, actually. They do come in white. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-32674472372279598772015-04-13T16:12:12.906-06:002015-04-13T16:12:12.906-06:00The white gene in a GSD doesn't come from poor...The white gene in a GSD doesn't come from poor breeding. It's a recessive e allele. The (E) gene is one of two genes that make up all GSD color variations. When an (E) gene is inherited from each parent, the e/e genotype makes the white shepherds. The (E) gene is what creates the white in Akitas too.<br />The gene that brings on the white in shelties, aussies etc. is the (s).<br />What all this means, I'm not sure. I do agree that the shepherds that joined forces to create Brockle were more than likely the BYB variety. mugwumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00319060800328355056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-47361728820641927192015-04-13T15:28:11.895-06:002015-04-13T15:28:11.895-06:00Just have to say, I loves me your Brockle!Just have to say, I loves me your Brockle!DeeDeenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-48240121858985129392015-04-13T15:13:11.439-06:002015-04-13T15:13:11.439-06:00Akita makes a lot of sense as a contributor. Some ...Akita makes a lot of sense as a contributor. Some GSDs can be poorly bred, and do have that white gene in there. I wonder what a white gsd + a spotty mix would bring to the table. I know nothing about white gsd genetic markers. Austenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13004088333430762406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-41320120814086563582015-04-13T15:02:31.336-06:002015-04-13T15:02:31.336-06:00Genetics are fun!!! :-)
Given how many things ...Genetics are fun!!! :-) <br /><br />Given how many things we can test for these days, I'm always kinda surprised that more people (and especially breeders) don't chuck up the cash to find out for sure if their animal carries certain genetic diseases or that they're really the color they think it is or.....Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17892175707655378999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-80793922486342260942015-04-13T14:54:39.776-06:002015-04-13T14:54:39.776-06:00I'm a little surprised by how much GSD heritag...I'm a little surprised by how much GSD heritage he has - I'd have never thought he was 50%. And 25% Keeshound? <br /><br />I'm totally buying my sister a couple kits for her dogs. She has a couple "Big Black Dog" specials off the Reservation, and it would be pretty neat to have an idea what went into them. PonyFannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-24993466650494534222015-04-13T14:51:42.601-06:002015-04-13T14:51:42.601-06:00I don't remember seeing anyone guess Keeshond!...I don't remember seeing anyone guess Keeshond! Very cool.<br /><br />Dalmation? He does have funny spots...Pishkeenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16261164597093156192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-6432371957287933902015-04-13T14:02:05.942-06:002015-04-13T14:02:05.942-06:00I didn't see that coming. I guess you're b...I didn't see that coming. I guess you're back where you started. There's a lot of unknown.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com