tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post7021892881873542610..comments2024-01-03T03:28:48.980-07:00Comments on mugwump Chronicles: Wrapping It all UpMugwumphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01487540636265322556noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-35380502956354827092013-08-27T09:23:15.023-06:002013-08-27T09:23:15.023-06:00I'm late to the party... which is kind of a mo...I'm late to the party... which is kind of a moot point as this is my first comment. To the Combative Anon:<br /><br />I don't know your background or credentials or anything and I don't really care. To say that neutering does not take the aggressive out of a dominant male dog is inaccurate. I work at a shelter and we take in all sorts of dogs. Almost every intact male we get in has an attitude problem, whether it be with other dogs, altered or not, people, or their personal doggy space. <br /><br />A few weeks after they lose their junk they lose their attitude. True these are not high quality, well bred dogs with traced bloodlines and proven temperaments, but they are an every-man dog and usually mixed breed - you know, the kind that you can find as most family pets around these parts.<br /><br />Of course, you wouldn't see this as you don't help people with their aggressive dogs... which is the <b>only</b> reason I would ever seek someone to help obedience train my canine companion.Lana Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-49694113853750312472013-08-19T14:27:34.111-06:002013-08-19T14:27:34.111-06:00The anon that's getting beat up a bit made one...The anon that's getting beat up a bit made one point that I think is fairly important: there is increasing evidence that early spay/neuter is not good for our pets. So far, all that there's proof of is disease consequences. Personally, I suspect there are also mental development consequences of early spay/neuter.<br /><br />My next dog (male or female) will be left intact for at least the first year, preferably until I'm convinced it's achieved physical maturity (up to two years).<br /><br />That said: that is not a path that can be safely made 'public policy' because too many people (as this whole thread demonstrates) lack the resources to safely manage an intact male or female dog - adequate enclosure/containment, knowledge for training, knowledge for identifying early signs of heat in a bitch, etc...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-77477017152977612582013-08-19T14:17:05.194-06:002013-08-19T14:17:05.194-06:00Sorry folks, not every owner with an intact dog (m...Sorry folks, not every owner with an intact dog (male or female) is an irresponsible idiot. I kept my first show dog intact until he was nine years old. He was trained, had excellent conformation, an outstanding temperament, and proved his value in performance. Never bit a person, never started a fight (can't say he was never in one, he was attacked once), didn't wander, etc...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-69511886245039031472013-08-19T09:09:55.525-06:002013-08-19T09:09:55.525-06:00Thanks KD! I was hoping somebody would comment on ...Thanks KD! I was hoping somebody would comment on the chi.I thought he was great.mugwumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00319060800328355056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-28683164165315187142013-08-19T08:18:27.021-06:002013-08-19T08:18:27.021-06:00On a positive note.... I loved watching the littl...On a positive note.... I loved watching the little Chihuahua doing advanced obedience. <br /><br />Takes me back to when I was doing obedience with my Great Dane many moons ago.KDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06062208340163864225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-40205585923472318092013-08-18T19:43:41.655-06:002013-08-18T19:43:41.655-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Snipehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09691114613313099716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-88284638422729822582013-08-18T19:33:32.275-06:002013-08-18T19:33:32.275-06:00Anon, you may claim to want to discuss this issue,...Anon, you may claim to want to discuss this issue, but when you come here and insult Mugs right off the bat, it's hard to believe you have engaged in this discussion in good faith. You sound like one of the leftover Fugly trolls.<br /><br />In terms of spay and neuter, Mugs didn't say that it's a cure-all for aggression, and neither did anybody else. Her exact quote is "NEUTER THE DAMN DOG". True, other factors are likely involved, but it is unwise to ignore the correlation between dog bites and whether or not a dog is intact. Mugs posted six conclusions. You ignored five of them in order to focus on neutering, which you disagree with, sort of. <br /><br />As a matter of fact, I'm not sure what your main point of contention is. Do you suggest that CDC statistics are 'misinformation'? Should we not research breeds, restrain our dogs, and train them appropriately, as Mugs concluded? As for requiring dog owners to possess a license to own a dog... no. No no no. That's like using a 12-pound sledgehammer to crack open a walnut. <br /><br />No one claimed that Mugs's survey was a totally comprehensive survey of all shelters, so disagree all you want. By nature, this survey did not conclusively answer the question of whether the overrepresentation of chihuahuas is regional. It was not intended to do that. If you really want to find out, perhaps you should research it instead of going on about misinformation and creating unnecessary ill will. <br /><br /><br />The conclusions at the end of the post were sensible, and similar to some of your own, so your antagonistic behavior is puzzling. Snipehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09691114613313099716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-59988757222150721182013-08-18T18:52:34.393-06:002013-08-18T18:52:34.393-06:00"Last Word."
---Becky Bean
(Sorry, Mu..."Last Word."<br /><br />---Becky Bean<br /><br /><br />(Sorry, Mugs, I couldn't help it.)Beckyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09544884349722760099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-73708071213659523872013-08-18T18:31:52.111-06:002013-08-18T18:31:52.111-06:00Becky, mugwump - Ha Ha! What a great idea, if it w...Becky, mugwump - Ha Ha! What a great idea, if it wouldn't involve my hand getting taken off. xD.iRide ArabPonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09930905079901717547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-88877297910235644682013-08-18T18:09:13.174-06:002013-08-18T18:09:13.174-06:00"You say you have the credentials to back up ..."You say you have the credentials to back up how right you are and how wrong everyone else is, but won't supply them."<br /><br />no, what I said was I would not supply my personal blog or profile link. I never said anything about credentials. <br /><br />There is a big difference between training a horse and training a dog. When you are training a horse, YOU train the horse, and then once you have the horse going the way you want, you teach the rider your cues. If I did that with a dog, I'd have to bring that dog into my home (which would be the same as bringing the horse to your barn). What I've found in class is that I cannot handle the dog more than once or twice or the dog will ignore their owner. Can you imagine what would happen if the dog lived with me? <br /><br />How do you hear "tone" on the internet? <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-73511675294056285842013-08-18T17:57:28.829-06:002013-08-18T17:57:28.829-06:00Blue Horsaii - I'm with Becky, the wasp spray ...Blue Horsaii - I'm with Becky, the wasp spray sounds like a great idea.<br />Although clandestine dog removal is a tempting thought.<br />mugwumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00319060800328355056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-87472396128970459872013-08-18T17:55:11.317-06:002013-08-18T17:55:11.317-06:00Anon- New thoughts, comments and ideas are welcome...Anon- New thoughts, comments and ideas are welcome here, when they are presented with consideration, manners and an attitude of wanting to help.<br />For me, your first sentence said it all.<br />I did read through the rest of what you said, and would have been interested in discussing some of your points. Unfortunately, you drove home your intentions, which were to lecture,not educate, chastise, not explore, and be aggressively "right." You say you have the credentials to back up how right you are and how wrong everyone else is, but won't supply them.<br />Personally, I would never, ever go to a dog trainer who refuses to help people with aggressive dogs. If the only horses I trained were the good ones and the only people I helped were the ones that already knew how to handle their horses, I wouldn't consider myself much of a trainer.I would have missed out on some good stories too.<br />" I've become so intolerant of aggression that when people sign up for classes, if there is a history of any aggression, they must do privates first. In their home. If after the initial consult, I think the owners will not do the work necessary, I walk away." <br />I truly think, if you want a soap box for your theories and to run down what other people do and say, you might want to keep it to your own site, blog or kitchen. That's where I keep my sarcastic comebacks.On my blog.<br />This is the last time I'm engaging in discussion of any kind with you unless you lighten up and write in a decent tone.<br />I have a sign in my kitchen.It says, "Be Nice or Leave." I'd send you one, but wait, you refuse to let anybody know where you are.<br />It applies here too.<br />mugwumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00319060800328355056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-43203234399239587842013-08-18T14:48:25.028-06:002013-08-18T14:48:25.028-06:00Creative relocating is a polite way of "Whoop...Creative relocating is a polite way of "Whoops! Oh, man, the dog got out and found its way to the pound...."<br /><br />It's a last ditch effort, and I've never had to use it yet, but your situation sounded hairy.<br /><br />If you're relocating in six weeks, then hunkering down is probably the best bet -yeesh. What an uncomfortable situation. I don't envy you.<br /><br />I like carrying a big stick if I'm nervous (even holding it up over your head, or out to the side, seems to freak dogs out), but the wasp spray is definitely way better than pepper spray - better range, accuracy, and cheaper.<br /> Beckyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09544884349722760099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-79765041539590234162013-08-18T14:15:54.368-06:002013-08-18T14:15:54.368-06:00(Me, iRide ArabPony and Blue Horasi are the same p...(Me, iRide ArabPony and Blue Horasi are the same person, BTW. Not sure how I ended up with two blogger accounts...)iRide ArabPonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09930905079901717547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-32696947319930647582013-08-18T14:14:39.180-06:002013-08-18T14:14:39.180-06:00redhorse- I'm not sure what happened. I heard ...redhorse- I'm not sure what happened. I heard were going to neuter it but something went wrong with a surgery when it was younger (some kind of reaction?) so they didn't want to put it under anesthetic again. The police in our area want nothing to do with dogs, some person on our street shot and killed our friends dogs while they were in our friends yard. Police didn't care.<br /><br />Greenie- Our council has a policy with loose dogs, if it has tags, then they will probably eventually wander back to their owner and there is no reason to interfere. If it doesn't have tags, it can stay in the pound for 6 hours (SIX, the stay is longer for non pit dogs tho.) then gets shot. They don't even try rehome. We have an SPCA but they have been full for months.<br /><br />Becky- Some find of wasp spray does sound like a good idea. What do you mean by creative relocating? We are moving in six weeks so not going to be a problem for too much longer...iRide ArabPonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09930905079901717547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-47107225793547841942013-08-18T14:05:00.710-06:002013-08-18T14:05:00.710-06:00Mugs the point of my comment on the stats, was jus...Mugs the point of my comment on the stats, was just to say that the breeds listed could be regional. That's it. <br /><br />You said: the point of the post was to scream from the rooftops to spay and neuter.<br /><br />My point, it may or may not have helped. The problem could have been maturity, which is to say that neutering would not have made a difference as maturity happens to neutered dogs as well. <br /><br />The problem could have been breeding, which is to say that temperament is highly hertiable and neutering would not impact temperament to the point of changing it. On the breeding point, as well, what Sue Sternberg found is also pertinent as breeding FOR aggression happens more often in cities than in rural areas. Which again ties into the regionality of what type of temperament in dogs any one of us may encounter.<br /><br />Environment will also impact reactions in dogs, as a dog who has been handled in such a way as to fear people will often react badly. <br /><br />So my point in the first comment (from me) and in this one was that neutering may or may not have had much of an impact in this situation. It also may not have done any harm. <br /><br />I am not a fan of blanket spay/neuter as it is becoming more evident that holding off altering a dog may have some beneficial consequences for the length of life of dogs and may prevent or inhibit some disease processes. This does not equal never neutering or spaying. I am especially a proponent of spaying bitches, early if necessary, as pyometras are a serious and life threatening process which can be mostly eliminated by spaying. But waiting till a dog is 18-24 months may have some benefits as well.<br /><br />I do not want people who read your blog to think that neutering will fix aggression. It will not. It will absolutely prevent those genes from being passed on, which is probably worth considering as well. <br /><br />I think you are correct in saying that understanding breed tendencies is important. Unfortunately, I think that will not happen, with dogs any more than it does with a person who buys a horse because of color or some misconception or misinformation about a particular breed. <br /><br />What I also think is important to point out, are humane training methods. How you train your dog matters. Humane methods will increase the chances that the dog will respond appropriately in a high arousal situation. Again, note I did not say it will always respond appropriately, but a dog who has a history of responding well, is more likely to do so in the future. It is important to actually train the dog, so many people wait until the dog is a problem that it becomes much harder to do the work, which makes people give up too soon. Caveat: I don't know how much or what type of training was in place for the dog in your original post, so I am not commenting on that. I am certain she made both the correct and responsible decision when she euthed her dog. There was, no other solution at that point. <br /><br />The CGC comment was to address the training and lack of it that seems rampant where I live. A CGC is fairly easy to put on a dog and done the way I suggested (with testers being neighborhood residents) will put some responsibility with people the dog owners may see frequently and thus add some social pressure. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-42082050226100961132013-08-18T13:48:49.445-06:002013-08-18T13:48:49.445-06:00"As I often find at this blog, the generaliza..."As I often find at this blog, the generalizations and misinformation are rampant."<br /><br />My apologies Anon#4. Please forgive me for appearing combative. What was I thinking?<br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />mugwumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00319060800328355056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-39030096577882945662013-08-18T13:23:10.358-06:002013-08-18T13:23:10.358-06:00Mugs, you seem to want the fight, not me. I was si...Mugs, you seem to want the fight, not me. I was simply presenting a different point of view. <br /><br />You can make up whatever name you wish. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-68786690490285983802013-08-18T13:08:40.676-06:002013-08-18T13:08:40.676-06:00Well deserved harassment aside, Anon#4-
if the pu...Well deserved harassment aside, Anon#4- <br />if the purpose of these posts were to come up with dead accurate stats, you would have an interesting point.<br />But, it was not.<br />It started out as a commentary from me, about a family friend who put her dog down after she lost control of him. Over the course of three days, he SEVERELY injured two dogs, and hurt another. Then he bit the sister of his owner.<br />The dog was a pit bull. If it had been a GSD, a Golden Retriever, or a chihuahua, I would have said so, but it wasn't.<br /> The point of the post was to scream from the roof tops the need to spay and neuter pets, I used the high over population of pits and chi's as my example, to learn about the breed we've taken on and be prepared to properly train it, and to keep our dogs under control. I used the pit as my example because again, that was the breed involved in my example.<br />The rest, if you actually read the posts with an open mind, came from you guys.<br />I stand very firm by what these posts taught me, as a matter of fact, it may very well become my dog mantra.<br />Know your breed.<br />Educate yourself and train your dog.<br />Spay and neuter everything, unless you actually know how to breed quality dogs.<br /><br /><br />mugwumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00319060800328355056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-60460815649256735132013-08-18T12:35:41.745-06:002013-08-18T12:35:41.745-06:00C'mon anon...at least give us a made up name s...C'mon anon...at least give us a made up name so when we're making fun of you we can use something other than dumbass anon #4.<br />When you wade in looking for a fight, I think it's only fair you give us a name to go with your ignorance.<br /><br />mugwumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00319060800328355056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-62548685636213617022013-08-18T11:08:42.212-06:002013-08-18T11:08:42.212-06:00Mugs your survey did not come from any of the foll...Mugs your survey did not come from any of the following states, VA, NY, WV, Oh, NY or PA. Nowhere did I state that you set this up or were wrong, you probably are not, but it is a limited survey which may make the breeds listed a regional issue. <br /><br />Your sarcasm is not lost on me, but it does prohibit conversation and that is why I choose to remain anonymous. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-83502472656339580692013-08-18T10:27:39.160-06:002013-08-18T10:27:39.160-06:00Dear Anonymous,
Your arrogance irritates me more...Dear Anonymous,<br /> <br />Your arrogance irritates me more then the subject matter.<br /><br />Namaste,<br />MichelleL<br /><br />MichelleLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-36912791143312505352013-08-18T09:48:11.162-06:002013-08-18T09:48:11.162-06:00Blu: I have a statistic-dog in the making in the ...Blu: I have a statistic-dog in the making in the house next to me, but at least the owner TRIES to keep it in their backyard (although we're still figuring out fencing issues.)<br /><br />In your case... well....<br /><br />I dunno. There's nothing wrong with a creative relocating to help the dog, your dog, your horses, the little girl next door, and your own life.<br /><br /><br />At the very least, please be safe... maybe walk with some wasp spray to keep the dog at bay. It's cheap, and highly effective.Beckyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09544884349722760099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-26664291442533387222013-08-18T09:37:14.821-06:002013-08-18T09:37:14.821-06:00Gosh Anon. - you caught me. I am so ashamed.
Out ...Gosh Anon. - you caught me. I am so ashamed. <br />Out of the information gleaned from our random survey only 17% of the dog population at the shelters were chihuahuas. <br />What was I thinking? How could I generalize such a thing? Out of the 400 odd available purebreds and the myriad of mixes in the world, a mere 17 frigging percent of them were chi's.<br />These numbers came within 24 hours, from all over the US and what, three other countries.<br />No, wait, in reality, I set the whole thing up, skewed the numbers in my favor by secretly contacting every single person who reads my blog and asked them to lie like your daddy when the child support payment is late.<br />That's how I found out the chi is the second most dumped breed in American shelters.<br />My bad. mugwumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00319060800328355056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-64887503921497467702013-08-18T08:42:29.321-06:002013-08-18T08:42:29.321-06:00Blu, I think you should call that one in. A/C, byl...Blu, I think you should call that one in. A/C, bylaw or whoever you can in your area. That sounds like a disaster just waiting to happen. They won't tell the people who called them in. They'll likely talk to the people at first and try to get them to fix the problem. If they don't keep the dog contained after that keep calling.<br />Greenienoreply@blogger.com