tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post6346825610119504719..comments2024-01-03T03:28:48.980-07:00Comments on mugwump Chronicles: We All Gotta Grow Up SometimeMugwumphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01487540636265322556noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-91503133274681563382013-05-01T06:41:26.525-06:002013-05-01T06:41:26.525-06:00Howdy! This is my first visit to your blog! We are...Howdy! This is my first visit to your blog! We are a team of volunteers and starting a new project in <br />a community in the same niche. 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/>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-5465391494284609362012-03-05T09:30:59.147-07:002012-03-05T09:30:59.147-07:00Analise - I have always wanted to compete in cow h...Analise - I have always wanted to compete in cow horse with a Lusitano. <br />That being said, this horse was heavy, not driving well with his rear and very clumsy in his spins. <br />They were training errors as far as I could tell.mugwumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00319060800328355056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-10569132738122432402012-03-04T16:10:06.070-07:002012-03-04T16:10:06.070-07:00Hey, Mugs, have you seen this video? What do you t...Hey, Mugs, have you seen this video? What do you think? :)<br /><br />Spanish-Norman horse in full armor performs freestyle reining:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J8xgJ8ifDgAnalisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11745597205111114664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-61248626946771896232012-03-03T07:51:22.431-07:002012-03-03T07:51:22.431-07:00What I question about the Parelli method is the hy...What I question about the Parelli method is the hypocrisy.<br /><br />There is video of both Pat and Linda publicly using questionable (I'm being restrained) training techniques that contradict their "teachings". <br /><a href="http://eventingnation.com/home/2010/07/controversy-at-express-eventing-this-weekend.html" rel="nofollow">Pat "curing" a head shy gelding</a> (scroll down) and Linda putting the fear of god into a petrified half blind mare with her carrot stick. <br /><br />The video of the blind mare "training "session was taken down shortly after it surfaced. I saw the footage - there was nothing gentle or humane about it.<br /><br />"Real horsemanship has a code of honor because how you treat your horse tends to be a reflection of your core values and principles. " Linda Parelli<br /><br />We all make mistakes - lord knows I wouldn't want the world to pick apart my horsemanship - but then again, I don't charge an arm and a leg for it either...<br /><br />I believe that everyone has something to teach us. Often it is what not to do. Beware the koolaid.Calm, Forward, Straighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08360276614916635500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-59433624222515439922012-03-02T19:11:57.753-07:002012-03-02T19:11:57.753-07:00I don't believe Pat's son is autistic. He...I don't believe Pat's son is autistic. He may have similar impairments to an autistic, but he had brain swelling as a baby and later a stroke, which led to both mental and physical challenges. There's actually a rather nice article in the current AQHA America's Horse magazine about him and Pat. It did make me respect Pat a bit more as a human being, even though I have no love for the Parelli marketing machine.Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-72863959970495530092012-03-02T16:17:47.359-07:002012-03-02T16:17:47.359-07:00FD....
I love that! I was thinking that the other...FD....<br />I love that! I was thinking that the other day. How a person’s behind the scenes' story is used as a marketing tool. You can't tell me that Buck the movie or even book would have occurred without the back story of abuse. Same for Monty, etc. If I haven't been abused does that make me less capable as a trainer or rider? Snort. Not likely.ANHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-13853382831241317972012-03-02T16:11:00.996-07:002012-03-02T16:11:00.996-07:00Eh, being British, I reserve the right to take the...Eh, being British, I reserve the right to take the mick out of anyone and everyone, from myself to the Queen, and particularly so for true-believers and marketing bulshitters. And carrot sticks are never not going to be funny. <br /><br />That said, I'm a proper magpie and will use whatever works, and trade it in a heartbeat if something else works better. I've always been happy to admit that some of the NH stuff I've found useful, especially as a filter for interpreting and understanding more traditional techniques. So I never did knee-jerk write off people who use the more 'woo' seeming methods.<br /><br />Incidentally, couldn't give a monkeys about sad personal histories - they are not relevant and don't affect my approach one iota, any more than our PM's family history affects my opinion of his political policies.FDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01485030894416936129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-85408523930778358552012-03-02T12:31:15.937-07:002012-03-02T12:31:15.937-07:00Pat was college roommates with my old cutting trai...Pat was college roommates with my old cutting trainer. He told me early on that Pat knew the same stuff he did. When it came time to "grow up" my trainer decided to train cutting horses and Pat went into "marketing." <br /><br />Guess who makes more money? <br /><br />That said, there is a refence to said trainer in my book that I just finished yesterday! Check it out if you care to.<br /><br />e-book<br />http://www.lulu.com/product/ebook/partners/18928748 <br /><br /><br />paperback<br />http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/partners/18928667Spotted_T_Appshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11174690284741610784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-58905500555055786602012-03-01T19:08:10.542-07:002012-03-01T19:08:10.542-07:00I've also been annoyed by some of the Natural ...I've also been annoyed by some of the Natural Horse trainers who act like their way is the only way (like one of the earlier ones you didn't mention here), HOWEVER, I have learned to pay attention anyway, because they are all good at what they do, and they just chose to make a business out of it. Sure, they make a lot of money, and I don't agree with what some of them do - for instance, like not encouraging people (especially greenhorns!!!!!) to wear helmets! - but, well, somebody's going to make money at it. not me cuz i'm not a good business person nor that good with horses! anyway, very good post.<br />(I turned off WV too! I get some spam, but it's easy to delete.)<br /> - <a href="http://theequestrianvagabond.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">The Equestrian Vagabond</a>The Equestrian Vagabondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15600011873327347121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-77127633923546159602012-03-01T18:32:04.787-07:002012-03-01T18:32:04.787-07:00I didn't see the movie, but I read "Faraw...I didn't see the movie, but I read "Faraway Horses". It made me cry and it made me want to go to one of his clinics.luvredponieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11832081405315953399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-65938535774524064902012-03-01T18:19:48.285-07:002012-03-01T18:19:48.285-07:00I've been to a couple of John Lyons clinics (s...I've been to a couple of John Lyons clinics (started my 2 year old with his method - worked out great) and have been a Clinton Anderson "fan" since before most people knew who he was. He was doing a demonstration at an event where John Lyons was headlining. Hardly anyone went to see the little, skinny, squirt with the funny accent. I did though. And his ability to handle a really rank mare made an impression on me. That was probably 12 years ago and I've been a "fan" ever since. <br /><br />I put "fan" in quotes, because I've talked personally to Clinton probably a dozen times over the years and he hardly ever makes eye contact with me. To me, that is disturbing and shows he's untrustworthy. But whatever. Like anyone human, he has his good, happy, helpful days, and other days he comes across as a rude, arrogant, prick. Sometimes he's too aggressive or rough with a horse for my taste. <br /><br />However, I'm still a "fan" of his techniques. He is a great teacher and his method is easy to understand and follow. I use most of it, but I also appreciate a thinking horse rather than a robot, so I don't drill on them like he does. Anyway, I'm just throwing in for Clinton. I do think he can be a jerk, but his training methods are extremely helpful to me, and I can separate and throw out my emotional feelings to him personally.Half Dozen Farmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00253311679688366394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-66860125881956785112012-03-01T18:12:55.012-07:002012-03-01T18:12:55.012-07:00Personally, I stick with the reining/ cow horse pe...Personally, I stick with the reining/ cow horse people when I'm looking for advice. I've gotten great tips and tricks from both Larry Trocha and Les Vogt; sometimes I look to dressage trainers for advice, and sometimes I'll try a Clinton Anderson method out if I'm feeling so inclined. It's taken me a long time to learn that everyone has a different opinion and that if some horses have a hard time understanding something one way, they will probably understand if you ask them differently.<br /><br />I don't know. I recently switched disciplines and am now riding my WP bred AQHA mare at hunter jumper shows with the intention to start her eventing. It was the weirdest, most extreme discipline change I've ever seen anyone attempt, but my leaser wants to event, my mare loves to jump, and it's been a really fantastic experience so far. Guess how we learned about flying lead changes? Larry Trocha. And we did it all in a jumping saddle.ponyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07468171391524073853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-88157624488488680752012-03-01T18:07:02.560-07:002012-03-01T18:07:02.560-07:00You scared me at the beginning of your post into t...You scared me at the beginning of your post into thinking you were giving up the blog! I'm glad that was just my mind jumping to conclusions. <br /><br />As for my opinion...let's say I've read too much of the Fugly blog with Cathy to fully respect Parelli (and his ego...), but I can appreciate how some sort of "natural" horsemanship can work for some horses. I don't agree that you should be "BFFs" with your horse, but there should be a mutual respect, which can, for some people/horses, be achieved through NH methods.Hannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01512797177839945890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-2834615437563903792012-03-01T18:06:53.421-07:002012-03-01T18:06:53.421-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Hannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01512797177839945890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-75762207308000635922012-03-01T17:13:01.001-07:002012-03-01T17:13:01.001-07:00Buck's a good horseman, but not a good "p...Buck's a good horseman, but not a good "personman."<br /><br />Ime, every above average trainer and handler I've ever known got along, and understood, horses much better than people.<br />So, I don't take poor people skills personally if they're presenting stuff that is worth learning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-81683133027822986152012-03-01T15:21:15.027-07:002012-03-01T15:21:15.027-07:00Everyone learns differently and the wisdom of many...Everyone learns differently and the wisdom of many is better than one. Take what you need and file the rest.<br /><br />But....I've worked with a couple of NH trained horses and they are no fun, I think the horses play Games, like, let me get out of work by *hooking* up every 2 seconds.<br /><br />I'm getting a leather halter for the mare I'm leasing. Every single boarder has Rope halters and I don't like them. This mare doesn't need a training halter. She needs comfort.mysanityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14307892727694921058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-41704285436884022212012-03-01T14:43:52.857-07:002012-03-01T14:43:52.857-07:00I've never posted a comment before, but I seco...I've never posted a comment before, but I second Mark Rashid as a cut above any other trainers I've seen. He truly knows how to teach people and what he teaches you is doable. I've seen him work with DQs, jumpers, endurance, etc and he gives simple instructions that make huge differences and have people smiling ear to ear and saying, "Is it really that simple?" His books are wonderful and remind me of Mugs writing, they have you LOL. Even my non-reading husband reads his books. He's the only clinician I've seen giving people back their money because he's assessed their horse and seen that it is a physical issue not a training issue. Or looked at saddle fit and seen that as the problem. He watches every horse that comes in and can pick out physical problems vets miss. I've personally seen Buck, John Lyons, Martin Black, Clinton Anderson, Leslie Desmond, Ray Hunt and Harry Whitney and a few good lesser known trainers. Never seen Parelli though. Harry and Mark are the only two I'd pay money to ride with. Mark and Harry are on a different track that I can follow. They've learned effective ways to communicate and DEMONSTRATE what you need to know. Mark combines his martial arts training into his horsemanship and brings another level of understanding to riding, breathing, blending and energy to the whole experience.Pamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08739861378069441626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-66987494998611283202012-03-01T14:36:12.009-07:002012-03-01T14:36:12.009-07:00I've never posted a comment before, but I seco...I've never posted a comment before, but I second Mark Rashid as a cut above any other trainers I've seen. He truly knows how to teach people and what he teaches you is doable. I've seen him work with DQs, jumpers, endurance, etc and he gives simple instructions that make huge differences and have people smiling ear to ear and saying, "Is it really that simple?" His books are wonderful and remind me of Mugs writing, they have you LOL. Even my non-reading husband reads his books. He's the only clinician I've seen giving people back their money because he's assessed their horse and seen that it is a physical issue not a training issue. Or looked at saddle fit and seen that as the problem. He watches every horse that comes in and can pick out physical problems vets miss. I've personally seen Buck, John Lyons, Martin Black, Clinton Anderson, Leslie Desmond, Ray Hunt and Harry Whitney and a few good lesser known trainers. Never seen Parelli though. Harry and Mark are the only two I'd pay money to ride with. Mark and Harry are on a different track that I can follow. They've learned effective ways to communicate and DEMONSTRATE what you need to know. Mark combines his martial arts training into his horsemanship and brings another level of understanding to riding, breathing, blending and energy to the whole experience.Pamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08739861378069441626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4380534023229200743.post-84781200231813559392012-03-01T12:32:25.210-07:002012-03-01T12:32:25.210-07:00I loved Buck! A little sad you won't be poking...I loved Buck! A little sad you won't be poking fun at the NH scene anymore... I think it's fun to point out the silliness in all "disciplines" ;)RHFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02513212465360292806noreply@blogger.com